SAO PAULO /PRNewswire/ -- Embraer announced today a firm order of six A-29 Super Tucano light attack and advanced training aircraft for the Philippine Air Force (PAF). After a comprehensive public bidding process participated by several manufacturers from around the globe and complying with the stringent evaluation processes the Super Tucano was selected as part of the PAF's ongoing modernization plan. The aircraft will be deployed for close air support, light attack, surveillance, air-to-air interception, and counterinsurgency missions. Deliveries will start in 2019.
"We are honored to be selected by the Philippine Air Force, our second operator in the Asia-Pacific region, and with the confidence expressed by our customer", said Jackson Schneider, president and CEO of Embraer Defense & Security. "The Super Tucano is the best light attack aircraft in the market and we are confident that it will accomplish with excellence the missions it was selected for".
The A-29 Super Tucano is a durable, versatile and powerful turboprop aircraft capable of carrying out a wide range of missions, even operating from unimproved runways. To date, the Super Tucano was selected by 14 air forces worldwide. Once the delivery of these aircraft is completed, they will be turned over to and maintained by the 15th Strike Wing, the PAF's end-user.
(Embraer)
Congrats my Philippine Air force joining the Super Tucano club
BalasHapusWelcome to the club bro. Let the cocky but poor country jealous all the way. Their military nightmare budget cutting are result of massive prime minister crony corruption. Hahaha...
HapusBut our assets technology and strenth always above you..no offence bro :D
Hapusberita ni khas untuk bro Joni Antipolisi baca bro jangan tak baca mana tau membaca itu jambatan ilmu....
HapusATM Bakal Terima Lebih 20 Aset Menerusi Bajet 2018..... lalalalalala...hehehehe
http://defense-studies.blogspot.my/2017/10/atm-bakal-terima-lebih-20-aset-menerusi.html
Aset hibah cuma cuma dari jepang kah? Atau nak upgrade nuri naik taraf jadi apache? Kah kah kah
Hapusbaca bro baca.... pasal kurang membaca anda tak banyak tahu... 20 aset bro MPA, M109A5 banyak lagi tu... 2018
Hapushttp://www.malaysiandefence.com/army-day-2017/
HapusSHAH ALAM: SPH Delayed. The plan to buy the M109 SPH for the Army has been deferred due to the current budget crunch. The timing for the purchase remained uncertain and will depend on the final approval of the government, Army chief Jen Zulkiple Kassim said in an interview ahead of the 84th anniversary of the Tentera Darat today (March 1, 2017).
delayed bro. takde uang buat biaya kirim dan naik taraf. kah kah kah
baca bro baca
HapusGw inget pak Zulkipli ini yg jadi lawannya mas Dein..
HapusMas Dein bilang Malaysia gak usah ikutan AARM karena cuma dapet medali plastik, pak Zulkipli bilang "Kita yakin bisa jadi juara AARM tahun ini karena persiapan yg matang apalagi tahun depan Malaysia akan jadi tuan rumah AARM 2018"
Nampaknya komentar pak Zulkifli lagi2 akan dibenci mas Dein :-)
Delayed not cancelled. That news was early this year and this project is good to go.
HapusCome on dont post obsolete post here. Get the updated news instead.
Owh dont burt hurt too much. Karma always come to you lol
Yes karma is already come malonesia. Look at malon military budget recent years. I can only laugh. Long time ago when oil price high, malonesia always underestimate other country specially INDONESIA. NOW YOU GET YOUR KARMA. EAT THAT
Hapusbinabati kita, brader mark👍👍👍
Hapuswelkam 2 klub tucano 🛩🛩🛩
filipina selalu di hati👌👌👌
hehehehe... Joni...joni tu berita lama.. ni M109A5 termasuk dalam 20 aset 2018... lagi satu ia bukan pembatalan tapi penangguhan dan 2018 ni akan masuk... hehehehehe... joni...joni.... baca..baca jangan malas
Hapusbila dah hati semakin panas dia akan mula berkata Malon dan beruk... itulah dia....
HapusLol chill bro. No need to burthurt so much. No need to use bad words here. Only shows you true value even more lol.
HapusOh btw our acquisition still in progress not stopping. There is different. Current situation making us become more careful on expenditure and think creatively.
Joni please be more wiser and mature lololol
skrg kan masih 2017, dan om joni gak salah kok😚😚😚
Hapusdia gak bilang kensel kok. dia bilang sesuai brita diatas delayed. tiada kata pembatalan ituw.
coba dech liat lg, ada kata kensel itu gak di tulisan dia. guwe mau tau?
ada siyap2 ahhh...tung tung tung🔨🔨🔨haha!
Kalau wacana itu deal akan menjadi sebuah lompatan besar..tpi jika d kansel akan banyak yg malu
HapusEmbraer should thanks to TNI AU for promoting Tucano series.. :-)
BalasHapusEmbraer and KAI with a succesfull T 50 sales in ASEAN. Except for a AKAN COUNTRY wkwkwk land
HapusBoth Indonesia and Philippines purchased KAI T-50 and Super Tucano. Thailand is the new user of T-50
Hapusjoni antipolisi rasanya Super tucano tu besar sangat sudah ya umpama F-22... hehehehe.. ia ikut keperluan negara masing2 bro adakah sebuah negara kena beli yang sama apa jirannya beli....??? Jika negara A beli Super Tucano maka negara jiran kena lawan dan kena beli juga Super Tucano kalau boleh biar jumlahnya lebih agar boleh bercakap besar AKU HEBAT.... hehehehehe
HapusBeli tucano juga pake uang. Kalo takde uang AKAN beli MRCA pun cuma jadi MIMPI. Hahaha... beruk malon logic is the greatest on earth
Hapusemmm... kenapa anda terus mengata beruk... ??? diskusi cara baik la bro guna hujah... budget kecil tapi 20 aset baru bakal masuk 2018 cuba baca link berita yang saya tujukan pada kamu.... ...hehehehe... jangan tak baca nanti kamu tak tahu pula...
Hapusbaca link juga tuh ruk biar lu paham
HapusGak perlu lah membully kami karena punya Tucano... Tucano itu sebagai COIN plane sekaligus jadi media belajar sebelum pakai FA50 F16 dan Flanker Family
HapusDaripada sibuk membully kami kenapa gak beli cermin buat ngaca mas ?
https://garudamiliter.blogspot.co.id/2015/03/world-kekurangan-dana-malaysia.html?m=1
Who bullying you guys bro. Look who commented on marky's comment first lol. We are defending your troll with facts.
HapusOur tight budget is normal but the acquisition will be made eventually eventho it might take years. The hardwares that we plan to acquire normally is at state the art one rather than the basic thing.
That also a fact
bro superstar siapa membuli...??? tiada siapa membuli cuma cuba anda baca selepas komen anda...??? adakah anda rasa itu bukan komen berbentuk troll memancing... "Embraer and KAI with a succesfull T 50 sales in ASEAN. Except for a AKAN COUNTRY wkwkwk land"..anda rasa ni ayat apa...???
HapusNegara hendak bangkrupt lagak gaya membully negara lain. Dasar beruk semenanjung kah kah kah
HapusLol start acting like one?
HapusLol
Alamak ada yg gigit jari liat tetanggany jajan terus. Sementara Dy puasa tiada akhir 😂
BalasHapusMultirole Cancellation Requirement = MRCA. Forever AKAN Najib Project
HapusLeo rabun,t50 golden eagle rabun,sukhoi ompong tanpa senjata dan pod,f16 ketinggalan dan basic sukhoi 27/30 tidak diupgrade,kri tidak bolwh belayar,PKR tiada misil..alamak..macam mana tu..
Hapuseiittt guwe gemen nich ktemu ginian haha!
Hapustentra delay, leo rabun tak mungking haha!
katanya formiler masak gak tau jeroan leopard sich haha!
smua leopard 2 di duniya & akherat itu uda dilengkapi PERI-R 17.
PERI-R 17 A2 is a stabilised panoramic periscope sight designed for day/night observation and target identification; it provides an all round view with a traverse of 360°
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2
bedanya ama leopard 2a4 ama leopard RI, leo ri punya driver night vision camera, 2 biji depan/belakang.
nach pada prinsipnya smua leopard 2 ini uda siyap buat nyerbu kampung halaman luh malem2 haha!😎😎😎
utk jelasnnya nonton nich:
MBT leopard 2 RI terpasang PER1 17
https://www.vidio.com/watch/756263-baby-margaretha-intip-dari-dekat-mbt-leopard-2ri-tni-ad?channel_id=11302171
ps:sambil nonton jgn bawa sabun yach, dewasa dech tentra delay haha!😅😅😅
oiya jgn lufa isi pulsa,tu suport yu punya inet akses haha! tung tung tung🔨🔨🔨
Percuma mas... gak bakalan dibuka linknya... nanti besok2 bakalan dikeluarin lagi statementnya "Leo Rabun, Kasel gak bisa nyelem, Akan beli apache dan su35, CN235 jelek, MRSS jelek dll"
HapusPokoke di mata mereka Indonesia kudu seng paling jelek dan ketinggalan... hahahahah
oiya kalo gitu langsung aja kita ffentung ama yg ini om super haha! tung tung tung🔨🔨🔨
Hapuskesian tentra delay gak punya yg baru cem heli atak, gak punya pesawat coin, gak punya pesawat latih baru, gak punya baracuda, gak punya pesawat MPA, gak punya medium SAM, gak punya oerlikon, gak py millenium gun, gak punya LPD, gak py Kapal Hidro-Oseanografi yg baru, gak punya kapal rumah sakit, gak punya LST baru, gak punya kapal komando, gak py SPH, gak punya kapal tiang tinggi yg baru, gak punya marinir, gak punya tank amfibi, gak punya tivi banyak lagi gak punya haha!😆😆😆
slamat yach bajet naek jugo tp tetep masih dibawah itu tuch korps baju soklat kami😜😜😜
tentra delay, kapal selam ente pon paling buncit tak nambah diantara bertiga ama si upil haha!ee tanya knp?
ooiya biar dikit asal sombong yach haha!😊😊😊
ada je yang baru A400M, Frigat Gowind, Gempita, kapal LMS, pesawat latihan baru dan heli latihan baru... takde pun sombong perasaan kamu saja tu
HapusLol thats the dumbest comparison ever made. Our trend of acquisition is based on what we think best for us, not following neighbours'.
HapusWe dont need LPD, LST, kapal komando (what on earth is that), kapal tiang tinggi yang baru (oh my), millenium gun (whattt) and so on.
We has our own wishlist and not being intimidated by our neighbours. Plus like Gempurwira said, we managed to purchased /obtained A400M brand new tactical lifter, LCS Gowind, Tracked SPH, LMS, Gempita, Light Attack Heli etc2.
Still think we dont have anything new? Lol so sad.
LAYAN JE LE....hehehehehe
Hapusohh om gempur disitu guwe kan guwe tulis alutsista/barang yg spesifik.
Hapusguwe kan gak bilang gak punya barang baru cem fregat, lms & pesawat angkut, bahkan radar & rudal. tentu taulah kleian py barang baru, tp yg spesifik seperti diatas, blom kan? haha!😜😜😜
dan tulisan diatas khusus buat om tentra delay, bukan yu kok jgn mara yach haha! masa om gempur mao guwe blng gak py tivi segala haha!
Like i said. Out trend is based on what we think best for us. It means not necessarily you have LPD we must have them too.
HapusHaish
wahh guwe gak liat ada satu lagi rupanyo haha!
Hapuseh guwe gak ngemenk ama luh juge om unknown haha!
komentar guwe spesifik ditujuken ke tentra delay, begitchu, maka santailah haha!😗😗😗
jika om mlihat masa sblom ini, begh. itu tentra farah bingits, dan guwe jamin luh jg ikut naik pingin fentung dia haha! dan guwe py bukti bukan janji haha!😉😉😉
ow soal kebutuhan, tentulah masing2 py urusan. tp kalo soal LPD? kalo yu mrasa benar, coba tengok brita2 soal mrss. om unknown bilang tidak perlu, tp kenapa pihak militer berkata lain haha!😛😛😛
Orang malon suka bahasa asing dari bahasa mereka sendiri..mungkin bahasa mereka jelek.lucu.ada efek lawaknya😀😀😀
HapusThe more you comment the more dumb you look like. The reason i using English is because we both understand easier compare we both commenting in our own language. I dont understand what you mentioned here basically. Thats why i write it down in English.
HapusOh please stick to the point. You just show the world you are not smart enough and making yourself worat by commenting like that. Be mature okay lol
One RMAF Hawk enough to wipe the entire fleet of Indon TNI AU Supar Tucano!!
BalasHapusHahaha... this one is a sample of malonesia cockroach. Cocky, arrogant but lack of money. Poor but with a big mouth
HapusIndo super tucano completed with radar and misiles.. but if againts with old basic su27/30 and old f16 block 15 (not upgrade yet till today) and without state of the art technology and system for that aircraft..yeah..it is easy opponent..oh..not to forget t-50 golden eagle without radar also..hehehe
HapusHello Gays.. keep on weeping :-)
Hapushttp://militermeter.com/setelah-upgrade-dua-pesawat-su-27sk-tni-au-akan-dilengkapi-jammer-pod/
http://militermeter.com/4-pesawat-f-16cd-block-52-tiba-di-lanud-iswahjudi-magetan/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=12050&relatedposts_position=0
http://defense-studies.blogspot.co.id/2017/03/pesawat-t-50-akan-diupgrade-menjadi.html?m=1
Selamat menikmati "AKAN" project versi Indonesia
ada sumber mengesahkan F-16 indonesia sudah menjadi versi block 52....??? sekadar bertanya
HapusWASHINGTON, Nov. 17, 2011 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress Nov. 16 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Indonesia for the regeneration and upgrade of 24 F-16C/D Block 25 aircraft and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $750 million.
HapusThe Government of Indonesia has requested a sale for the regeneration and upgrade of 24 F-16C/D Block 25 aircraft and 28 F100-PW-200 or F100-PW-220E engines being granted as Excess Defense Articles. The upgrade includes the following major systems and components: LAU-129A/A Launchers, ALR-69 Radar Warning Receivers, ARC-164/186 Radios, Expanded Enhanced Fire Control (EEFC) or Commercial Fire Control, or Modular Mission Computers, ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems, ALE-47 Countermeasures Dispenser Systems, Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated Devices (CAD/PAD), Situational Awareness Data Link, Enhance Position Location Reporting Systems (EPLRS), LN-260 (SPS version, non-PPS), and AN/AAQ-33 SNIPER or AN/AAQ-28 LITENING Targeting Systems. Also included are tools, support and test equipment, spare and repair parts, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistical and program support. The estimated cost is $750 million.
The proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by improving the security of a strategic partner that has been, and continues to be, an important force for economic progress in Southeast Asia.
Indonesia desires the F-16 aircraft to modernize the Indonesian Air Force (IAF) fleet with aircraft more capable of conducting operations in the outermost border regions of Indonesia. The IAF’s current fleet of F-16 Block 15 aircraft is not capable of fulfilling that role, and the aging F-5 aircraft are expensive to maintain and operate due to diminishing resources existing to support the aircraft. The avionics upgrade will provide the IAF an additional capability benefitting security by modernizing the force structure, and enhancing interoperability by greater use of U.S.-produced equipment. Indonesia, which already has F-16 Block 15 and F-5 aircraft in its inventory, will have no difficulty absorbing these upgraded systems.
The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
Indonesia requested the regeneration be sole sourced to the 309th Maintenance Wing, Hill Air Force Base, in Ogden, Utah, and Pratt Whitney, in East Hartford, Connecticut for the engine overhaul. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.
Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any additional U.S. Government or contractor representatives to Indonesia.
There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.
This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/indonesia-regeneration-and-upgrade-f-16cd-block-25-aircraft
Indonesia to get 24 F-16 block 25s
Hapushttp://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article4466.html
Keep on jealous guys kah kah kah... malon military budget nak belikan datin rosmah hermes bag gen 7
HapusINDONESIA HAS formally requested the purchase of 24 refurbished F-16C/D Block 25 aircraft from the US Government.
Hapushttp://www.airforcesmonthly.com/2011/11/20/indonesia-nears-acquisition-of-24-f-16cd-block-25s/
Kalo takde uang beli jet pejuang refurbish pun tak akan mampu. Keep on dreaming mrca. Don't wake up malon. Hahaha... kasihan bujet kecik di bagi 5
HapusFact Sheet: Excess Defense Article (EDA) F-16 Refurbishment
HapusThe acquisition and regeneration of Excess Defense Articles (EDA) F-16s provides Indonesia with a much needed capability to protect its sovereign airspace and represents the largest transfer of defense articles in the history of the U.S.-Indonesia bilateral relationship – a signal of the growing commitment to regional security under the bilateral Comprehensive Partnership.
The Government of Indonesia has chosen to improve its internal air defense capability through the upgrade and regeneration of Excess Defense Articles (EDA) USAF F-16 Block 25 aircraft provided to the Government of Indonesia via a grant approved in August 2011. Indonesia currently has a fleet of 10 F-16 A/B Block 15 aircraft. The acquisition and regeneration of 24 F-16 C/D aircraft via EDA allows the Government of Indonesia to significantly bolster air defense capacity without compromising the defense budget and other national priorities.
The Government of Indonesia requested a total of 30 aircraft, with 24 F-16 Block 25 aircraft for regeneration, and four F-16 Block 25 and two F-16 Block 15 aircraft for use as spare parts. Included in the grant was a request for 28 Pratt and Whitney engines. Indonesia has allocated funding for the regeneration of the 24 F-16s and overhaul of 28 engines.
The Department of Defense is currently working with the Indonesian Ministry of Defense to develop a Letter of Offer and Acceptance (LOA) for the regeneration of 24 F-16 Block 25 aircraft while awaiting completion of the final required Congressional Notification. The Congressional Notification is expected to be complete and the LOA ready to be signed in early 2012. The United States Government is working to begin delivery of aircraft by July 2014, as requested by the Government of Indonesia.
At the conclusion of the regeneration Indonesia will possess a fleet of 24 F-16 aircraft updated with the most advanced Modular Mission Computer (MMC) produced by Raytheon. The aircraft will also have vastly improved radar, avionics, and the capability to carry and field more advanced weaponry and sensors. Additionally, a minimum of thirty pilots will receive F-16 differences training in the United States, and mobile training teams from the United States will train Indonesian aircraft maintainers.
https://id.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/policy-history/embassy-fact-sheets/fact-sheet-excess-defense-article-eda-f-16-refurbishment/
kerana itu saya bertanya block 25 or block 52...???
Hapusbro joni antipolisi.... membaca itu jambatan ilmu bro... hehehehehe
Hapushttp://www.defenseworld.net/news/18783/Two_F_16_Jets_Arrive_In_Indonesia#.WiDrBjdx11s
HapusTwo modernized F-16 jet fighters granted from the United States have arrived at the Iswahjudi Air Force Base in Magetan, East Java, on Monday.
The two F-16 C/D 52ID fighter jets are a portion of the 24 aircraft the US government granted to Indonesia, which has received 14 aircraft until now.
"The two fighter planes were part of 24 units of F-16 fighter aircraft in the program of "Peace Bima Sena II" under the contract of FMS LOA ID-D-SAL between Indonesia and the United States," Chief of staff of Air Force Operation Command II, Air Vice Marshal Donny Ermawan said.
The fighter jets, already upgraded from Block 25 to Block 52 arrived in Iswahjudi Airport, Magetan Monday, Netral News reported today.
The upgrade includes structural modifications to extend the service time and engine overhaul. The two jet fighters have tail number of TS-1622 and TS16-38, and a part of 24 jet fighters to be granted by the US to the Indonesian government in line with the "Peace Bima Sena II" project.
Currently, there are sixteen F-16 jet fighters in Indonesian Air Force. By the end of 2017, all of the aircraft as grant would arrive in the country.
The aircraft will strengthen the Air Squadron 3 of Iswahjudi air force base of Magetan and Air Squadron 16 in the Roesmin Nurjadin air force base of Pekanbaru.
bro gempur wira.... membaca itu jambatan ilmu bro... hehehehehe
HapusModiarr.... dari tadi ngasih link terbitan 2011 versi akan begitu dikasih link versi 2017 ada tulisan "Already" upgraded to blok 52 langsung pura2 gak baca atau abis quota internetnya.. hahahaha
HapusBiasa bro kalo otak level beruk ya gitu hehehe
HapusCome on structural upgrade and engine overhaul? Please be more spesific.
HapusIs there any new helmet or missiles?
Is there any new radar installed?
Is there any pod purchased?
Kurang tahu mas. Ini berita 6 tahun lalu 2011. Saya lom dapet info apa aja yg diupgrade setelah 6 thn dari saat tulisan ini dibuat :
HapusThe Government of Indonesia has requested a sale for the regeneration and upgrade of 24 F-16C/D Block 25 aircraft and 28 F100-PW-200 or F100-PW-220E engines being granted as Excess Defense Articles. The upgrade includes the following major systems and components: LAU-129A/A Launchers, ALR-69 Radar Warning Receivers, ARC-164/186 Radios, Expanded Enhanced Fire Control (EEFC) or Commercial Fire Control, or Modular Mission Computers, ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems, ALE-47 Countermeasures Dispenser Systems, Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated Devices (CAD/PAD), Situational Awareness Data Link, Enhance Position Location Reporting Systems (EPLRS), LN-260 (SPS version, non-PPS), and AN/AAQ-33 SNIPER or AN/AAQ-28 LITENING Targeting Systems
Missiles sepertinya AAMRAM yg AKAN dibeli. Cmiiw
hehehehehe... saya tak lihat pun berita dari US ada mengatakan ia adalah upgrade ke block 52...
Hapusehm ehm..om gempur wira baca ini sblom bobo yach
HapusThe order has a value of $750 million. The order also includes a number of SNIPER or LITENING pods.
Finally it became clear that these F-16s were upgraded with a toned-down version of the CCIP upgrade package including the latest MMC-7000 mission computer and M5 software package which makes these airframes more or less block 50/52 equal.
itu equal artinya setara bukan?
yg blng bukan sini guwe fentung jidatnye haha!🔨🔨🔨 tung tung tung
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article6.html
heran dech kan guwe uda sering bilangin di tempat lain haha!ett sblom bobo, guwe ffentung duyun yach biar nyenyak bobonya haha!tung tung tung🔨🔨🔨
http://defense-studies.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/rta-lakotas-enter-service-without-hitch.html#comment-form
software package which makes these airframes more or less block 50/52 equal. The aircraft are supposed to equip Skadron Udara 16 in the course of 2015... kerana itu saya bertanya maklumat masih kurang jelas adakah ia block 52 atau setara Block 52...
HapusGempur otak kau ini memang setaraf beruk hehehe.. Block 25 hibah kemudian diupgrade dg bujet 750 jt dollar menjadi setaraf blok 52. Kita tak pernah beli F16 blok 52 baru. Kau pintar2 lah pahami document tuh. Makanya ketika F16 tuh datang disebut F16 C/D 52ID artinya sudah diupgrade setara blok 52 versi utk Indonesia/ID.
Hapussetara om gempur, kan mesin + radar masih bawaan blok 25, begituchu.
Hapusbetul yg dikatakan om joni, kami tak beli pesawat f16 baru. jd pasti ada perbedaan.
namun jenis blok 25 pon masi dipake oleh national guard amrik
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Air_National_Guard
dan blok 52 di bbrp negara pon beda2 alias tidak sama, sampai ada yg ditulis blok 52 plus. kerna ada paket upgrade khusus
buat ompol yg teratas, hawk tni au berlipat2 lebih banyak dibanding punyamuh, akan dikirim buat jitakin palelo haha!😆😆😆
HapusWes tho mas.. sampiyan bilangin berulang ulang juga gak bakalan percaya beliau mas.. spt mr unknown bilang "Senjata kami adalah sesuai kebutuhan kami".. lha TNI AU punya Tucano kenapa konco2ne mas unknown podo ngurusi Tucano karo nyeluk Tucano pesawat jelek (ada komennya mereka di defense news sebelumnya).
HapusSo What ???.. Mind Your Own Bussiness..
Is 8 hornet gonna be superior againts 24 - 48 F16 52 ? I dont know. Tapi kalo SU35 AKAN project jelas lebih superior dari SU30.
Su-30 mkm setara su-35bm..tvc su-35, su-30mkm juga punya itu.. Pod untuk su-30mkm ialah damocles pod, datang sekali dari russia, bukan cam negara mendunia, dah lama pakai f-16,bru nak dapat pod, wkkwkw
Hapus48 f-16 block 52?#doneclaim
HapusYa,indo negara besae, tapi jumlah pesawat setara dengan malaysia yang lebih kecil, lolz.. Dan kami tak perlukan lst sebab kami bukan negara pulau kayak indo, goblok
Gempur@ beberapa f16 blok 25 pengadaan 2011 dan .. Dan 2015 pembelian secont upgred 24unit f16 blok 50/52 maka itu d sebut blok 52 id
Hapushttp://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article6.html
Brooo...iri tanda tak mampu
HapusCoba d buka link yg gua kasih ..link resmi info pengguna f16 seluruh dunia..
Pembelian senjata f16 indonesia jga d jelaskan..
Dijelaskan juga dsana knpa d sebut blok 52..coba d baca Biar kebuka otak lo yg d penuhi rasa dengki
Look bro, firstly imo tucano is fine fighter. The plane itself is designed for COIN warfare rather than conventional type. Why TNI-AU picked that plane? Only your commander can tell and suitable for your own good.
HapusOur airforce have different idea on what we want to defend our country and to dealt with any threat coming.
8 vs 48. Of course quantity will win but look again at your overall strategy. Is your country is a offensive force or defensive force?
8 nos is insufficient for us and we have tried our best to increase our nos.
But looking at your nos too, do you think you be able to launch offensive attack? I have to say none of countries in SEA have that ability. We are defensive force please bear in mind.
And our SU-30, they are different level.
Sok2an kuantiti..boot songlab bekas dari japan yg seharusnya pensiun d bli jugak..
HapusHahahaha
iya om super, maklum ada yg Paanasss menjelang pergantian tahun tak nampak2 kado haha!😆😆😆
Hapussaking panasnye kagak bisa ngitung haha!matanya mlotot smua ke 48 haha! guwe ffentunng bole gak om super???uda gak tahan nich PALU guwe🔨🔨🔨tung tung tung
ehh ada om arizal, guwe ngakak beberapa tetangga, kagak bisa itung2annye om super...sudaaah terlalu PAAANNAASSS kyknyo haha!😂😂😂
Hapuseniwei uda bulan desember, ada yg mao dateng lagiii ciihuyyy
Su35bm setara su30mkm..
HapusHahaha ngakak betapa pinternya si malon..
Klo su30mkm setara su35bm..
Maka cina dan india tak perlu belih su35 mending beli su30mkm..
Dan gk perlu antri beli su35 mending beli su 30mkm..
Wkwkekwk ngakak😂😂😂
Klo gk bisa itung2an mending buka forum2 itung2an dri pada buka forum militer ntar salah mulu tambah songlap...
Hapusbkan begitu om palu😀
begitchu haha!👌👌👌
HapusWhy India has to buy SU35 then if their MKI more or less like SU35. Plus they are planning to upgrade MKI into Super Sukhoi. Furthermore, they already has joint venture to build FGFA fighter with Russia. FYI, India planning to buy alot of fighter not because they are having less fighter but they have issue with old and ageing fighter that need to be replace urgently. Thats why they have programme like M-MRCA, single engine fighter turned double engine fighter etc etc.
HapusChina on the other hand only purchased 24 nos of SU35 and most of their MKK is not so start of art fighter. Why the quantity so low? You tell me. Plus they are focusing on developing 5th Gen fighter on their own.
So should they buy SU35 then? You tell me
Unknown@ lu ketinggalan berita ya...
HapusSbenernya itu jawbn untuk @myms tpi lo yg jawab..ya sudah lah mungkin lo krg perhatian
Kenapa india butuh su35.?
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2015/10/russia-and-india-to-work-on-5th-gen.html?m=1
Kenapa cina butuh su35
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/if-the-j-20-stealth-fighter-so-amazing-why-china-buying-18273
https://thediplomat.com/2015/06/why-chinas-air-force-needs-the-su-35/
Jdi bisa dSimpulkan sendiri..
Indon and another AKAN BELI project!!
Hapusapalagi mrca, kensel teruuussss om pol ampe tuwirrr haha! tung tung tung⛏⛏⛏
HapusDuterte ok, ga banyak omong tp action nyata, tdk seperti mukidi, novemver berakhir blm juga beli krupuk. Sbg warga kita jg maklum dg kualitas rt kita, hanya petugas dari pak kadus
BalasHapusPilipin Good. Bikin iri hati tetangga'y aja.. hahahaha
BalasHapusLanjutkan om deterete borong smua.. :D
Borong terus, biar tetangga sebelah megap megap. Ingin belanja juga. Tp apa daya bujet dibagi 5
Hapushehehehe bahagi 5 dapat 20 aset bro...
HapusTight budget bro still get 20 new hardwares. Lololol
HapusYeah new made in chinese kih kih kih
HapusChinese made getting better and better.
HapusOwh like you never used theirs before.
So irony
Yeah we buy some of the weapon made in china like c 802 missile and we regret it. But we never buy a substantial and main weapon from chinese such as war ship or main battle tank.
HapusUnknown... in the past (5 years ago) when we acquired sum chinese wargears your people keep trollin us, tellin we' re such a jerk and poor country. Stupid and moron when choosin chinese toys considerin our tight budget.
HapusTime passes by, now your country doin the same thing like we did. So what you say ? Are you now pretending chinese warfares is the good one for now while inda past you told us only stupid country choose chinese stuffs for their weaponry armaments.
Ya, you bought chinese anti aircraft gun, it malfunctioned and killed some tni personnels.. You bought c-705,delayed for 5 minute, in front of your beloved president jokowi, wkwkwkkw
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HapusIn the past they have lack in terms of quality. Nowadays their quality are getting better and at par with western standard. All depends on money. If you have extra money to spend, you can choose higher quality of their products.
HapusWhy we choose Chinese product? We dont depends on single country. They are one of superpower country in the world now. They are being aggresive in this region for some reason.
They are old quote saying if you cant against them, then join them instead. But we are more like be friends with them.
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HapusMalonesia typical efek org kebanyakan makan micin. Negaranya gak kuat beli senjata tapi warga nya ngotot ngaku militernya super power se asean. Helowwww talk to my hand
HapusAh since when we admit we are the strongest or the best? Only in your imagination i guess lol.
HapusConclusion - most of your comment are basically love to condemn and downgrading us. Thats you do best.
Keep it up bros. Show what you are. Lolol
Wow....edan turun, komene udah 40
BalasHapusturunin donk pasukan emak2nya om smilik haha!
HapusInilah article yg ane maksudkan..realistis skali..cuma dalam ni gak ada perbandingan f15sg singapore dan f18 hornet malaysia..jd utk mudahkan pembacaan sy bgtau awal2 yg kebolehan radar dan electronic system f15sg sgpore dan f18d hornet malay berada jauh di atas f16 hibah..apa lg selepas uograde hornet malay ke 25x..selebihnya kabu baca dan amati article ini..ok..peace
BalasHapusprajuritmerahputih.blogspot.my/2012/01/supremasi-pertahanan-udara-vis-vis.html?m=1
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HapusYup..article lama..tp lihat penganalisis punya visi...memandang ke hadapan..ada logika..dia membandingkan kekuatan ibarat 10 tahun akan dtg..
HapusUntuk memahami strategi pertahanan negara, selain persepsi dan skala ancaman, perlu juga dijabarkan apa saja konsep mendasar yang menjadi landasan dalam merancang sistem pertahanan negara.
HapusKonsep utama dan paling penting adalah pemahaman akan perang. Untuk perang udara yang menjadi salah satu ikon kekuatan utama perang masa depan, kekuatan pertahanan udara akan terletak juga pada kemampuan pengendalian udara yang mencakup: Supremasi udara (air supremacy) yaitu keadaan yang didefinisikan sebagai tingkat superioritas suatu angkatan udara di mana lawan tidak mampu mengintervensi secara efektif.
Keunggulan udara (air superiority) yaitu keadaan yang didefinisikan sebagai tingkat dominasi oleh suatu angkatan udara untuk dapat melakukan operasi darat,laut,dan udara tanpa dapat dicegah. Terakhir, keadaan udara yang menguntungkan (favorable air situation) di mana situasi pertahanan udara masih sangat terbatas oleh ruang dan waktu sehingga dimungkinkan terjadi intervensi udara oleh musuh.
Operasi pertahanan udara (hanud) terbagi atas hanud aktif dan pasif. Hanud aktif mencakup langkah-langkah seperti penggunaan pesawat, senjata langsung, dan tidak langsung pertahanan udara dan peperangan elektronik. Kegiatan dalam operasi ini meliputi deteksi (elektronis dan visual), identifikasi (elektronis, korelasi,dan visual),dan penindakan (pesawat tempur sergap,rudal jarak sedang,dan rudal taktis) terhadap ancaman kekuatan musuh.
Hanud pasif mencakup semua tindakan selain pertahanan udara aktif, yang diambil untuk meminimalkan efektivitas tindakan musuh dan ancaman rudal.Termasuk antara lain kamuflase, persembunyian, penipuan, pemulihan, deteksi, sistem peringatan, serta penggunaan konstruksi pelindung. Dalam konteks ini, skala ancaman menjadi logika utama bagi pembangunan postur pertahanan udara yang sesuai dengan kondisi terkini untuk mengidentifikasi strategi penangkalan yang efektif dimana di dalamnya organisasi TNI, personel, dan kapabilitas alutsista berada.
Ketiga komponen mendasar dalam postur pertahanan inilah yang akan menentukan sejauh mana negara siap melindungi segenap wilayahnya. Komponen alutsista dalam konteks ini menjadi faktor utama bagi kedua komponen lainnya. Karena itu,persoalan alutsista bukanlah persoalan yang mudah. Isu seputar transparansi anggaran hanyalah porsi kecil dari kompleksitas pengadaan alutsista. Ketika anggaran selalu menjadi fokus utama, masalah perencanaan kebutuhan alutsista yang sebetulnya menjadi sumber dari permasalahan sering menjadi terabaikan.
Rencana Hibah
HapusMencermati rencana beli hibah F16 C/D yang diriuhkan, kita harus mengaitkan pada perimbangan kekuatan udara kawasan. Dengan skenario hibah nanti akan ada beberapa jenis pesawat di kawasan di antaranya:
(1) F-16 C/D hibah yang dibekali radar APG-68(v) dengan kemampuan mencari 80 mil laut;
(2) F-16 D+ Block 52 yang dibekali APG-68(v)9 dengan kemampuan mencari 160 mil laut;
(3) JAS-39 Gripen yang dibekali radar PS-05/A dengan kemampuan mencari 160 mil laut; (4) SU-30 MKI yang dibekali NIIP N011M Bars dengan kemampuan mencari 173 mil laut.
Jarak jangkau radar pesawat hibah kelak, jika dihadapkan terhadap pesawat negara kawasan, hanya akan mampu menangkap target di jarak 80 mil laut. Padahal, pesawat negara kawasan seperti F-16 D+ Block 52, JAS-39 Gripen,dan SU-30 MKI sudah mampu menangkap target sejak di jarak 160 Nm – 173Nm. Ditambah dengan teknologi IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) yang dimilikinya barisan pesawat kawasan telah memiliki interrogator sehingga apa yang tertampil di radar akan langsung terbaca sebagai lawan atau kawan.
Keadaan ini menjadi lebih rumit di masa perang jika suatu hari tanpa terduga negara kita dihadapkan pada seranganudara. Jika kita asumsikan pesawatpesawat musuh adalah F-16 D+ Block 52, JAS-39 Gripen,dan SU-30 MKI, selain sudah menangkap target sejak di 160-173 mil laut, mereka dapat mengaktifkan kemampuan ECCM/ anti jamming, melaksanakan mekanisme notching. Hal ini akan dilakukan pesawat musuh untuk mencegah radar pesawat hibah menangkap posisi mereka hingga bisa lepas dari jarak tembak efektif misil Amraam atau R27RI di 40-45 mil laut.
Permasalahan lain, 24 pesawat hibah kita yang terdiri atas double seater dan single seater rata-rata sudah mencapai usia 6.500 jam terbang sehingga yang akan tersisa hanya +1500 jam terbang. Mengingat time line delivery pesawat hibah kita pada 2014,ini akan menjadikan pesawat hibah hanya dapat digunakan +10 jam/bulan agar bisa digunakan hingga 2024, saat pesawat tersebut siap digantikan oleh pesawat tempur KFX kerja sama kita dengan Korea.
Jumlah penggunaan jam tersebut sulit diwujudkan karena fungsi pesawat tempur kita memiliki tugas rangkap, baik sebagai pesawat latih, pesawat pengamanan, maupun sebagai pesawat pertahanan udara. Artinya, usia pesawat hibah akan lebih pendek dari 10 tahun dan akan terdapat jeda kekosongan kekuatan pertahanan udara kita antara usainya waktu penggunaan pesawat hibah dan datangnya pesawat KFX.
Kemampuan untuk mengidentifikasi sisi kelemahan pertahanan udara kita terhadap ancaman merupakan langkah awal yang strategis dalam membangun kekuatan sistempertahanan dan postur. Mengingat persoalan kepentingan nasional tidak mengenal istilah KNM (Kepentingan Nasional Minimum), penetapan Minimum Essential Force (MEF) haruslah turun dari logika pembangunan pertahanan negara yang didasarkan pada identifikasi ancaman terhadap kepentingan nasional yang harus tetap terjaga.
Karena itu, ukuran akan perubahan geopolitik kawasan, spektrum ancaman, kuantitas alutsista yang berkualitas, dan perimbangan kekuatan relatif menjadi hal terpenting yang harus digaris bawahi.Bukankah lebih baik kita memiliki lebih sedikit pesawat tempur yang memiliki kualitas perimbangan daya tempur relatif terhadap kekuatan udara kawasan dibandingkan mengedepankan kuantitas dengan segala keterbatasannya?
Polemik pembelian alutsista TNI dapat dihindari dengan berpedoman pada grand strategy pertahanan, program pembangunan jangka pendek, menengah, dan panjang bagi kebutuhan satuan skuadron, kebijakan serta politik anggaran yang tepat dan tidak selalu memutuskan pembelian alutsista dengan orientasi keterbatasan, serta fluktuasi dan alokasi anggaran. Dalam mewujudkan kepentingan nasional, supremasi udara dan citacita TNI AU akan The First Class Air Force,pepatah telah mengatakan: Nervi Belli Pecunia Infinita, anggaran tak terbatas merupakan kekuatan perang itu sendiri. (CONNIE RAHAKUNDINI BAKRIE/Direktur Institute of Defense and Security Studies-Indonesia Maritime Institute,Dosen FISIP Universitas Indonesia)
Mahu lebih pemahaman ttg bacaan quality over quantity..baca ttg perang israel-arab,perang iran-iraq (terutamanya misi pengeboman h3 complex oleh iran)..semasa itu kita tahu iraq adalah antara kuasa tentera terbesar dunia..pespur aja hampir 1000+ berbanding iran dan israel yg hanya ratusan pespur sahaja..cuma bezanya pespur iran dan israel lengkap bersenjata dan moden dgn teknologi terkini...
HapusTeringat kata2 seorang commander airforce israel dlm satu dokumentari'dlm perperangan moden, sebuah pespur yg mempunyai teknologi terkini dan lengkap bisa mengalahkan/menembak jatuh 4-5 pespur yg gak mempunyai teknologi mumpuni".
Dlm article itu juga ada diceritakan ttg kepentingan jammer atau perang elektronika..sbb tu pnting utk pespur moden skrg ada jammer pod atau perang elektronika yg mumpuni
HapusJadi Hornet lebih unggul yah bro ? Siaap.
HapusKalau baca panduan standar squadron yg biasa dipakai di kesatuan tugas adalah satu squadron umumnya asumsinya 40 persen sedang grounded atau perawatan, yg siap terbang tapi gak full sehat biasanya 30 persen, yg full sehat ready to fighht biasanya sisanya 30 persen. Hitungan kasar tsb biasanya dipakai di semua kesatuan udara secara normal.
Malaysia mengoperasikan 8 unit hornet (ini satu squadron kah ?) Dgn persentase angka tadi diatas berapa kira2 30 persen dibagi 8 unit untuk pesawat yg ready to fight ? Yakinkah Hornet TUDM semuanya sehat kondisinya ? Adakah kemalangan akhir2 ini dari segi teknis ?
Ya bro indonesia memang masih mengejar kuantitas dari kualitas,krna fighter kmi jumlahnya msih kecil,soal hibah F16 itu kan sebenarnya budgetnya untuk beli 6 smpe8 F16 blok 52 baru,tp us menawari hibah dg dananya dipake untuk upgrade figternya,jd pilihannya pemerintah kmi dulu beli hibah tuk mngejar kuantitas,tp perlahan pemerintah indo skrang berbeda dg dulu,skarang tni juga akan menaikkan jet tempurnya dg upgrade su27 kmi ke rusia dan f16 ocu,dan yg pasti SU35 yg akan datang kualitasnya akan lebih baik lgi dri MKM TUDM karna tidak ada downgrade lg seperti dulu plus lengkap persenjataan kta panglima tni
HapusSaya melihatnya konsep no more downgrade plane dicanangkan kurleb 2 atau 3 thn lalu saat Indonesia sedang keluar dari kesulitan ekonomi. Asumsi saya bila benar buktinya akan kita lihat di medio 2020 nanti akan seperti apa postur pespur TNI AU yg sebenarnya setelah mengeluarkan statement no more downgrade specs. Baru 3 thn lalu bro jadi sabar yaa.. pesen pesawat gak semudah beli skrg besok sudah digarasi. Nikmati saja prosesnya :-)
HapusSaya rasa ketika selesai program MEF ke2 TNI sudah melewati jiran baik kualitas dan kualitasnya tahun 2020 dgn penambahan alutsistanya,saya berharap juga tni trus menambah alutsistanya jgn berhenti krna itu mutlak bgi pertahanan negara ketika kita lemah jiran bisa berbuat macam2 lagi seperti thun 90an,
HapusYup masih euphoria punya alutsista tercanggih se kawasan padahal gak banyak juga unitnya lho ? Saat euphoria masih tersisa mereka jadi kaget ternyata negara AKAN yg bernama Indonesia ini bisa beli Ratusan Leopard, Bikin kapal sigma, pesen kasel, Apache, tambahan 24 F16 blok 52 dan pesen lagi SU35.
HapusSaya berharap euphorianya segera disadari oleh mereka untuk diakhiri dan bergegas terbangun dari buaian kehebatan selama ini utk tersadar bahwa negara2 lainnya tanpa disadari sedang menggeliat membangun modernisasi alutsistanya (sing, phil, thai, aus, indo)
Tengok lah kau su 30 mki hanya beberapa sahaja yang layak terbang,begitu juga dengan f 18 kau tak semua nya ready untuk flight, di perparah dengan mig 29 yang sudah di grounded karna takde suku cadang..
Hapusbagi sumber bro Rifki... mana dapat sumber tu...???
HapusCome on guys, we are talking about fact. Not something we pluck from sky.
HapusBtw someone mentioned your upcoming SU-35 is more capable than our SU-30. Then kindly share with us your specification to compare. We love to learn something we dont know
Kau jual sahaja mig 29 rongsok dan rosak tuh ke india. Tukar dengan spare part sukhoi kih kih kih kasihan
Hapushttp://www.malaysiandefence.com/india-wants-fulcrums/
https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2017/04/14/indias_puzzling_mig_deal_with_malaysia__111175.html
HapusOnly 26 plane operates from both F18 and SU. Considerin 30 or 40 percent readiness, i assume among 10 or 13 planes ready to fight.
Enough to defense from china's threat ? You guess
F18nya cmn ada 9bijik ..
HapusNak bangga kan wkwkkkwkwk
Eiitt, brita lawas 2012 dari menhan bumi datar kesayangannya om smili haha!ngakak dot kom😂😂😂
Hapushey tentra delay, nich baca, radar f16 blok 25 itu an/apg 68(V).
Ini adalah radar jarak jauh(up to 296 km/184 miles/159nm)
https://duotechservices.com/7-improvements-the-apg-68-offered-the-f-16-fighting-falcon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/APG-68
perbandingan ama radar an/apg 66, pada f16 blok a/b (up to 150 km/80nm/93miles )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/APG-66
itu data pasti salah ambil haha! rudalnya pun lagi otewe nich, yg keren amraam kadabraamm haha!😋😋😋
7 Improvements the APG-68 Offered the F-16 Fighting Falcon
Hapus1.Greater range – The AN/APG-68 engages targets at greater ranges, up to 184 miles, and with more accuracy than legacy radars.
2.More reliability – The AN/APG-68 has a mean time between failure (MTBF) of more than 200 hours, reducing ownership costs.
3.Compatibility with LANTIRN pods – The AN/APG-68 enabled the use of Low-Altitude Navigation and Targeting Infrared for Night (LANTIRN) system, increasing combat effectiveness of the F-16 by enabling low altitude flying at night or under-the-weather.
4.High-resolution mapping and target detection recognition – the look-down mode uses a medium doppler waveform and signal processing that improves target detection, even with heavy clutter.
5.25 operating modes – the additional operating modes include ground mapping, ground moving target mode, specialist ship mode for maritime operations, and track-while-scan of up to 10 targets simultaneously.
6.Ground mapping – The AN/APG-68 has Synthetic aperture radar (SAR) capabilities, which enables high resolution ground mapping for the F-16 to become a day or night, all-weather, precision strike aircraft.
7.Improved weapons systems – The AN/APG-68 enabled the F-16 to become even more formidable due to its compatibility with newer air-to-air and ground attack missiles, including Global Positioning System (GPS)-aided precision weapons.
mesin
6500 jam terbang?
Lah kan uda ini nich ada mao sikat : 28 F100-PW-200 or F100-PW-220E engines being granted as Excess Defense Articles.
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/indonesia-regeneration-and-upgrade-f-16cd-block-25-aircraft
artinye dari nol lagi dunks haha!😀😀😀
tentra ngibul bul ependi,,,kena luh haha!😉😉😉
sini setor jidat, hobi kok ngibul mlolo haha!🔨🔨🔨
salam buat menhan bumi datar yach, ditunggu awewenya haha!
Lol like i said China is one of superpower in the world. None of us have the ability to stop them if they start the war. But are live in the world bro?
HapusWhy on earth they want to against us anyway?
Oh btw where you got the figure? Just pluck from sky and then there you go, just assume only 10 of out aircraft are ready to go to combat is it? Maintenance is normal but our readiness is priority. The number? Only our airforce know about it. I dont know. You dont know either. All you can say now is based on your assumption.
Thats it
If China / PRC start the war, then other superpowers will join the war. So, it is not so simple to say PRC is everything.
HapusAbout the war, Vietnam has seen the war with superpower (US), Indonesia has seen with British (battle of Surabaya), etc.
If talk about fighter aircraft just stick into it.
It is difficult to stay objective and clear in the head, brothers?
Please, all of you (Indonesians, Malaysians, etc).
rrc super pawa? mereka bahkan tak berani merebut si imut taiwan haha!
Hapuscuman brani ambil batu kosong di laut sepiii, gegara vietnam duluan nge tek haha!
negara tak punya imajinasi tinggi, kopi past teruuusss😋😋😋
Week end, udah gajian, isi kuota full..
BalasHapusYup, saatnya berkoar, melepas penat..
Hwahahaha..
Congrat Phill..semoga full skuadron.
Oh admin. Are you blind? That are so many comments posted on something not related to military like gambling stuffs. Please be more proactive dude.
BalasHapuskesian malaysia jom songlap
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BalasHapusHancurkan malonesia
HapusWhy you want to take away our land?
HapusLol dont wish something stupid.
malon otak bebal.. suka'y ngetroll & Ngetroll.
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HapusMuehehehehe... ngetroll tanpa otak. 11 12 kayak jonru
HapusSama la ngan budak budak indon.. dia yg mulakan dulu.. bila kena maki berjemaah mula la nak jadi gila... bermula dgn saat ini aku gelarkan rendy prabu alias anjing rp ye...keh keh keh..
HapusLol since when we troll you guys?
HapusBurthurt rendy?