15 November 2016

Burdensome Requirements Delay Philippine Aviation Procurements

15 November 2016


Long-range patrol aircraft and close-air support aircraft have both been delays (photo : Airbus DS)

Two Philippine Air Force (PAF) programmes to procure long-range patrol aircraft (LRPA) and close-air support (CAS) aircraft have both been hit by delays but are expected to progress soon, an official from the Department of National Defense (DND) has confirmed to IHS Jane's .

The DND public affairs official confirmed that factors causing delays include the recent change in the Philippines government, funding issues, and foreign bidders failing to meet the technical and financial requirements of the DND. The two latter factors are regarded as major causes of delays in the ongoing Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) modernisation programme.

(Jane's)

87 komentar:

  1. Its not delay... The pinoy just run out of money and that the fact. They are 3rd world country but 1st world country wanabe.

    BalasHapus
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    1. Lol. But hey, atleast the frigate program is still alive. Eventhough the ship is really cheap and more suitable to be call corvette. The Pinoy still delay it for 2 years. They could receive the ship next year if the Pinoy full on commited the program.

      Hapus
    2. Of course all wanted to become a first world country. We are trying to upgrade our armed forces because, it is in a bad state. No doubt your country belongs to the first world, because you sound like one. But gee whiz, your character belongs to the last world.

      Hapus
    3. Aymokay: no need to show emotion here buddy. What worldstar want to say is that we need to realize what's in our pocket is. If it's enough to buy full frigate than go ahead, but even a cheap second handed corvette can be more powerfull from a lightly armed frigate.

      Hapus
    4. Bebei they are light frigates but they are notlightly armed when finished, you better do your research. if you look at the upcoming frigates in ASEAN, the PN may look underarmed due the absense of VLS, TASS and CIWS. But once they are there, it can even surpass the air defense missile systems of the Malaysian SGPV Gowind 2500, and the Indonesian Sigma PKR. It will also be superior to the Malaysian Lekiu-class, and the Thai Naresuan-class. In its form it will already be par on weapons and superior on sensors to the Vietnamese Gepard. The only frigates that are still superior are the upcoming Thai DW3000 frigate and the Singaporean Formidable class.

      Hapus
    5. the question is whether they will be equip with it or not in the future.

      Hapus
    6. luqman. Yes they will be definitely. Afp has already started shopping for those items. PN will have 6 frigates of this class. But even as early as now, PN think tanks are considering to upgrade the next batches of frigates to those with heavier displacement (at least 3,000 tons), to accomodate more systems and weapons.

      Hapus
    7. luqman. Yes they will be definitely. Afp has already started shopping for those items. PN will have 6 frigates of this class. But even as early as now, PN think tanks are considering to upgrade the next batches of frigates to those with heavier displacement (at least 3,000 tons), to accomodate more systems and weapons.

      Hapus
  2. At least the philippine gov't is trying hard to modernize its armed forces. Those two who commented ahead of me should also try to reform their characters. They have bad attitude, trying to belittle Filipinos

    BalasHapus
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    1. i support afp modernisation but those two may not meant to be rude. its just that their comment are a little frank. the reality is Philippines are going through a hard time finding fund to buy the things they want. maybe you should do what the rmn is doing. they stop using those old and super expensive to maintainance warships. the money they save from the operational expenditure are use to buy the lms from china instead of waiting the government to give them the money.

      Hapus
    2. Why is there a need to modernized, the Chinese already bought Scarborough Shoal for 13 billion dollars. Any modernization is just a waste of money.

      Hapus
  3. Unlike malaysian ia getting poorer as compared to philippine.malaysian could no longer affort western hardware and tjey stick only with chinese cheaper and sub standard military hardware

    BalasHapus
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    1. is it wrong to diversified armed product from various country? atleast Malaysia never ask old cheap second-hand target training ship for enemy. Pinoy never ever buy its own major weapon from western. and do you really think South Korea made sub fighter FA 50 and ypur underarm future frigate can triumph over Russian made SU 30 and France design SGPV.

      Hapus
    2. to be honest, as a malaysian i cant deny that we are not rich. But thats why the navy make the 15 to 5 plan. Buying from china does not prove we are poor. If you do a little more research, you should know that the lms is design by china but most of the stuff in it are western. Lastly please change your mentality of chinese weapon is sub standard. none of the countries that bought chinese warships (thailand,myanmar,algeria) have ever complain about the ships.

      Hapus
    3. luqman. I'd rather see the money being spent for afp modernization go to education, infrastructure and other basic services. But we are being forced by circumstances to buy these arms, not only us but the rest of SEA nations, that is why i hate the PLA for plunging the whole region into this. This will certainly stall the full development of the region because funds supposedly for development are channelled to military purposes.

      Hapus
  4. mary an lazado..i agree with u..malaysia is so poor but then why it can still managed to buy 6 lcs gowind fully armed from france..

    BalasHapus
  5. Balasan
    1. I just like seeing overly patriotic pinoys getring butthurt and not being able to accept reality

      Hapus
    2. *getting damn phone keyboard

      Hapus
    3. Give us Pinoys some break, we've been butthurting for decades and you still wish us to have more. What's the fuzz with our military upgrade, this is very small compared to what your country is undergoing. I am baffled by your hate attitude with our little achievements.

      Hapus
  6. To luqman..thats what i observe for now..based on philippine horizon modernization they have allocate already fund to buy western hardware and whats out for the Saab Gripen dude. Try to check your malaysian modernation plan its almost chinese hardware is in your list for five year.so my coclusion is malaysia is not serious anymore of their modernization trying to buy cheap hardware due to corruption.time will come that sabah will gonna be a big issue. In fact malaysian military is still young and inexperienced.

    BalasHapus
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    1. could you tell us the chinese hardware that we are going to buy in the next five years beside the lms. i would really like to know about it. no comment on the sabah part since i dont like to bring political stuff into a military blog. cheers mate.

      Hapus
    2. Those ship and submarine that your government is buying in your pipepline military procurement. Submarine next and radar..check your armed forces site for more

      Hapus
    3. the submarine are for thailand and the radar is for the lms so no surprise there. i tried to search for it but could not find any of the things mention above.

      Hapus
  7. Try to check 2010 data of asean military ranking. Malaysia is second amongst other asean nation next to singapore with the most fully armed war machine..and then for 2016 data, malaysia is already in the 4th place. They are behind singapore, vietnam and indonesia.

    BalasHapus
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    1. We indonesian also bought chinese stuff, navy radar, CMS, missile and more.. but it does not mean that our country is poor. Learning from history long way back, our national military badly suffer from being banned by the hardware country of origin. So, we now have sourced our military stuff from many different country, just to balance the stuff inside us. Let see... fighter from russia and western, tanks from russian and western, navy stuff from china and western, and so other stuff. But sourcing the stuff from china does not mean we are poor country, our GDP are the largest in south east asia, but even with less than 1% from GDP were spent to the militery, it still large amount of money, compare that to any SEA country. So your countries bling2 military stuff does not show the real power of it. Here an example, indonesian KCR-60 filled with chinese stuff can easly swarm over your finnest bling2 lightly armed western frigate. And how many does indonesia have this thing? As far as i know, 10 of that stuff already operational, 3 of them already filled with chinese CMS, radar, AK630 and C705 missile.the rest are waiting to get the chinese stuff by the end of this year

      Hapus
    2. at least we are wayyy better than pinoy, who can't even contained Abu Sayyaf. even duterte policy is now looking for China as an ally.

      Hapus
  8. What the would soon to be come 2 yet to coming lightly armed frigatte or corvette of PN can do compared to what Indonesia or Malaysia had?

    Malaysia on their current state had 2 Lekiu class 2 Kasturi class and 4 Laksamana Class and 2 Scorpene class Subs

    Indonesia got
    16 Parchim class ASW corvettes
    3 Fattahilah class corvettes
    4 Diponegoro claas corvettes
    3 Bung Tomo class light frigatte

    6 Ahmad Yani (Van Speijk) class frigattes
    2 Raden Edi Martadinata class Frigatte
    ,
    all of them is real and being armed with real weapons and not on PC in CGI shapes

    BalasHapus
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    1. You have gone overboard, there is no doubt that Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand or even Myanmar have far better navies than Philippines but the upcoming PN frigate is not lightly armed as you said she will be. You better do your resrarch. I know what I am talking about, An Australian who is also a former navy officer and defense consultant said this.

      Hapus
    2. link or source please. not doubting you or anything. just want some evidence to show to my friends since they always say the new frigate is naked.

      Hapus
    3. lukman. I forgot which particular article this was mentioned but you can check the website, it is maxdefense a blogsite which can also be viewed in facebook

      Hapus
    4. lukman. I forgot which particular article this was mentioned but you can check the website, it is maxdefense a blogsite which can also be viewed in facebook

      Hapus
    5. thanks I'll check it out later.

      Hapus
    6. @aymokay lol. that frigate can only carry 4 anti ship missile and the missile is just a carbon copy of France Exocet. Indonesian Navy's Sigma class corvette version has much better armament than your future frigate let alone the Sigma Class Frigate version.

      Hapus
  9. ah not to mention Indonesia got 4 real Subs floating at the sea right now

    BalasHapus
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    1. and has the license to self-produce too.

      Hapus
  10. lol funny how pinoy and malay argue each other over some military hardware. But to be fair i had to agree with malaysia. Indonesia,Malaysia and Thailand all had bought Chinese product and this countries GDP and income per capita is higher than Philippine. Pinoy only hope for some donation from his big Uncle Sam.

    BalasHapus
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    1. Meanwhile their new president acted like a total douche to Obama, the president whose country had helped and donated them tons of shit.

      Hapus
    2. Yes we accept hands mw down donations from Uncle Sam because we are not rich like most of our Asean neighbors. But I dont see anything wrong in accepting donations, especially when you need them.

      Hapus
    3. Yes we accept hands mw down donations from Uncle Sam because we are not rich like most of our Asean neighbors. But I dont see anything wrong in accepting donations, especially when you need them.

      Hapus
    4. Problem is when you get donations you act nice but one little problem, one little ignorable word from Obama and your crazy president calls him names. Shameless as usual.

      Hapus
  11. To be fair, data shows that indonesians has the most number of air and sea accident in history. They are not goid in maintaining both military and civilian aircraft. I believed that david defited goliath in a single sling. So never under estimate your Asean neighbor.

    BalasHapus
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    1. Wrong and wrong. We have "the most" civilian crashes because the civilian side is uncontrollable. The goverment's airline Garuda Indonesia rarely has crashes or accidents and is routinely ranked amongst the best in Skytrax magazine.

      In the military side we HAD those crashes because your ex lover US embargoed us while we had mostly american aircrafts thanks to the new order. The embargo was so severe our military had to literally cannibalize one aircraft to save another. After the embargo was lifted, our military has very few crashes because we are very capable of maintaining our toys even after it gets really old, even without being allowed to buy spare parts. If you say that the crashes in Papua are caused by poor maintenance, think again. Those are mostly caused by the extremely hard conditions there.

      We have more high tech toys than you, our soldiers are the best shots in the region, and we can maintain our toys even without permission to buy spare parts. We don't underestimate you, we know how your country really is compared to ours.

      Hapus
    2. You say that dude that you can produce your own toys and spare parts so why indonesian blame the US embargo. This country produce is much worst tha china and you better thank tha our brothe filipino get your transport ship.you cant even defend you island from singapore literally if you are in good in military tactics. Your armed forces still inexperienced in war that you shouldnt be proud.

      Hapus
    3. So their is a problem with your government if they cant help civilian airline make their asset safe to fly and airwortheness

      Hapus
    4. So their is a problem with your government if they cant help civilian airline make their asset safe to fly and airwortheness

      Hapus
    5. Dont be boastful dude. The game is not finish yet and it is starting.

      Hapus
    6. Make what spare part? I literally said "we had to cannibalize" the ToT law was just made recently and was not there in the new order era.

      Defend what island from Singapore? Small sand islands that we actually sold to them for their projects? The main island we are defending now is Natuna and it's against China's nine dash line. Singapore has no problems with us except for the small ship naming problem.

      Our military not experienced? You are joking right? We liberated our own country from Japan AND the Dutch, we had confrontations against Malaysia (supported by the UK) and the Dutch for papua, and there was the whole Timor Leste stuff, the fight against GAM rebels, against terrorists in poso, against pirates in Somalia, UN peacekeeping in various countries. What have YOU pinoys done? Your independece was in a way given by the US, you relied on the US for your defense for years, you can't defend your islands from China. If there is such a thing as an unexperienced military in ASEAN it's YOUR military. Heck you can't even beat the Moro separatists!

      The govt made rules for the civs but if they decided to say, "fuck the rules, I want to save money behind the govt's back", what can the govt do other than maybe punishing them for ignoring the rules? You want to talk about our govt, talk about our national airline: Garuda Indonesia. In ASEAN it's probably around on the level of Singapore Airlines and Thai Airways (give or take).

      Don't try to teach me stuff you don't know. Your military is the joke of ASEAN. Fix your's first then talk about the superior militaries of ASEAN (Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam).

      Hapus
    7. You need to learn to shut up when you don't know what you are talking about and NOT try to twist other peoples words. Try to pull that shit again and I'll treat you like all the other smartass idiots here.

      Hapus
    8. NB: Garuda is on the level of SQ and Thai for the prime international routes. For the domestic routes, I'd say more on the level of Air Asia or so.

      Hapus
    9. at least Indonesia has an aircraft to fly with. do Pinoy own any flyable aircraft?

      Hapus
  12. Keren komentarnya pake bahasa madura xixixi... ­čść

    #justkidding

    BalasHapus
  13. For the information of our Asean neighbors,AFP modernization is a modest upgrade compared to others in the region.Except for some hitches including those mentioned in this article, our modernization is going smoothly. Dont worry, even after this program is finished other Asean countries such as Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam and Myanmar will still be far superior than our military. We are doing the upgrade so we can defend ourselves better against potential threats to our sovereignity and make it harder for them to defeat us. Unlike now, if any SE nation or even China would invade us, it would probably only take a week to do that, but after the modernization it would probably take them about a month to do that. So dont be jealous with our little upgrade, we are doing this so we can build better defense, but definitely not to overtake the military strength of other SE nations.

    BalasHapus
  14. just bring the prove if your country will be more hard to be knock down after your militar modernization being completed. Even Rodrigo Dudirty made laments about F/A 50, not really sure if your armed forces will be any better under his terms

    BalasHapus
    Balasan
    1. What do u know about our fa-50?

      Hapus
    2. http://nationalinterest.org/blog/fa-50-golden-eagle-the-low-cost-fighter-might-see-some-17649

      Your Duterte is calling it a waste of money because he thinks the main problem is counter insurgency, which the F/A-50 can't do well, and not China.

      Doesn't surprise me tho. He was taught as a Maoist. No wonder he wants to go full honey bunny with China now and act like a douche to the US.

      Hapus
    3. Not much, except its much more inferior than any other major ASEAN countries fighter jet. And plz dont tell me that FA 50 is much more superior than SU 30 and F15.

      Hapus
    4. @WorldStar for them F/A-50 is even far superior than F-22 or F-35s or Su-35S or PAK-FA or J-20 or J-31 or Gripens or Rafales or Eurofighters or KFX/IFX. If it's theirs, it's superior.

      Hapus
    5. WorldStar and Anonymous. It would be wise to think first before you open your mouths. I have linked the source that explains why PAF acquired the FA-50, pls care to read so you wont have to sound ridiculous adroth.ph/what-is-the-fa-50ph-really-for/

      Hapus
    6. That article explains what the PAF wants the FA-50 for. The main comment was about Duterte himself thinking that it is a waste of money. My comment is exactly about that. Yours deviates from the main comment and has nothing to do with Dwi's comment. So don't talk shit, if you don't even understand what the main comment is talking about.

      Hapus
    7. So you know now why PAF acquired the Fa-50. you disrespected Filipinos by insinuating we are dumb blind patriots thinking that F/A-50 is even far superior than F-22 or F-35s or Su-35S or PAK-FA or J-20 or J-31 or Gripens or Rafales or Eurofighters or KFX/IFX. If it's theirs, it's superior. You said that yourself, i have never said anything like that nor i have read anything here saying that, that statement came from u. Now who is talking shit? your statement has no basis. I would be disappointed if you are Indonesian because Filipinos consider them as blood brothers. What really baffles me really is your hate attitude towards Filipinos and our small achievements. As i have said your military will still be far vastly superior than ours even after our AFP modernization, and we have no ambition to overtake the military strength of other Asean countries so stop it and dont compare FA-50, a SAA LIFT against a F-22, SU 35, F-35 etc. which are MRF fighters.

      Hapus
    8. So you know now why PAF acquired the Fa-50. you disrespected Filipinos by insinuating we are dumb blind patriots thinking that F/A-50 is even far superior than F-22 or F-35s or Su-35S or PAK-FA or J-20 or J-31 or Gripens or Rafales or Eurofighters or KFX/IFX. If it's theirs, it's superior. You said that yourself, i have never said anything like that nor i have read anything here saying that, that statement came from u. Now who is talking shit? your statement has no basis. I would be disappointed if you are Indonesian because Filipinos consider them as blood brothers. What really baffles me really is your hate attitude towards Filipinos and our small achievements. As i have said your military will still be far vastly superior than ours even after our AFP modernization, and we have no ambition to overtake the military strength of other Asean countries so stop it and dont compare FA-50, a SAA LIFT against a F-22, SU 35, F-35 etc. which are MRF fighters.

      Hapus
    9. can you not comment the same thing twice. its not you that said FA 50 is superior but you fellow countrymen. look at some of the comment from some of philippine military page claiming that Fa50 and the future frigate is the best in the region. that kind of ignorant that make philippine so underdevelop.

      Hapus
    10. Komentar ini telah dihapus oleh pengarang.

      Hapus
    11. Oh Aymokay my basis is in your other country men. The mostly dumb and ultra nationalistic Pinoys who always say and think that their military IS the strongest most capable military and FA-50s and your new frigates are the best in the region. You want an example? Look at Mary Ann Lazado down there! Thinking that Saab is swiss (it's swedish) and the swedish only open their embassy in Manila (it's everywhere) and the PAF has far superior soldiers and training and experience than our well known crackshot soldiers (AASAM Australia reigning champions) who's got tons of real life experience (Independence war, conflicts vs the dutch and Malaysia, Timor Leste vs Australia, counter insurgency, counter terrorism, peace keeping with the UN). YOUR DUMBASS ARROGANT COUNTRYMEN ARE MY BASIS. Oh and plus your crazy president too. Only in the Philippines can a crazy, arrogant, human rights violating guy like that get elected. Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia? No chance.

      Hapus
    12. Well i admit many of my countrymen take crack, she could be one of them. I've noticed that too

      Hapus
  15. oiii, knock it off. every countr have its own priority and capability. Philipine right now have to modernized its military, it have its ups and downs. just like Indonesia, we to have our ups and downs. just because they dont have any good fighter jet, doesn't mean they are not going to have it in the future. from my point of view, we use to be have the same if not worst problem then they are. do you know why i think we have worst problem then them? because at that time, we lost our teritory because we dont have any capability to defend it. many of our F16 is grounded. we learn from it, got our self up and try to stand tall. thanks to the economy, we can boost our military and modernized it. right now PAF is try to build them self from no fighter air force to have light fighter air force. it took us more than 13 years to got where we are now. don't be proud of your self just yet, because we still not achieve our MEF goals. if you want to talk about who is the one to blame Duterte look in to China is no one better than Obama him self, don't blame Duterte. we never like it if some outsiders try to influence our internal politic either. Remember vanuatu?(man that chic in UN, whooo hooo). what about Malaisia? well, what about it? they have to tighten their belt because their economy is on the bad shape right now. remember, don't be proud of our self just yet, we still have many hole in our development. and guys before you give some stupid nasionalist comment, try to put your self on their shoes.

    BalasHapus
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    1. I appreciate the nice sentiments you gave to my fellow countrymen.

      Sincerely,
      Proud maid country for life

      Hapus
    2. I appreciate the nice sentiments you gave to my fellow countrymen.

      Sincerely,
      Proud maid country for life

      Hapus
  16. That ia why saab open their office in manila and even their swiss embassy. It shoes that they very very interested with philippines alike.

    BalasHapus
    Balasan
    1. see, this what i called stupid. Saab is Swedish not Switzerland. and btw, Swedish embassy is here in Jakarta to. i bet they have their embassy in Malaysia and Singapore also.

      Hapus
    2. Mary ann,
      I don't know if you're aware, Lockheed Martin is setting up an office in Mindanao coz after Trump's inauguration in January, Sec. Yasay will be flying to the US to negotiate the acquistion of F-35
      For the Philippine Air Force.

      Sincerely,
      Proud maid country for life

      Hapus
    3. Raptor. Facts only please. You are saying something that has no basis.

      Hapus
    4. I was being sarcastic jeeeezzzzz,
      You guys are so serious. I mean really, Lockheed Martin setting an office in terrorist infested mindanao!

      Hapus
  17. As i said indonesian military are young and inexperienced. They have to train some more using their equipment.

    BalasHapus
    Balasan
    1. TNI (Indonesia Armed Force) is a very well known for their fighting force. unlike Pinoy who can't even control Mindanoa.

      Hapus
    2. @shafiq gahani, tong kosong nyaring bunyinya dia bro. ga usah ditangepin.

      Hapus
    3. Hey dumb pinoy. Tell the PAF to win AASAM in Australia first then talk to us about training. Get involved more in peacekeeping ops, then talk about experience. Fight in conflicts and wars for independence like our military first, then talk about experience and skill. Beat your Moro rebels, and your Abu Sayyaf terrorists, and control all your islands first (like Indonesia did and does against GAM, Poso terrorists, and Natuna conflict), then talk about capability.

      You pinoys are too ultra nationalistic and dumb, it's annoying. If you want to write a comeback, counter my arguments and don't just repeat your already countered point. Unless you are too dumb to do so, which you are so famous for in most international forums.

      Hapus
    4. it seems that this mary ann lazado were the philipine twin of indonesian muarif bayhaqi and his so many clones.. but it makes me laugh hard... it's always a pleasure to deal with this kind of persons and read their comments.

      Hapus
    5. Chill out Anonymous, you're going to pop a blood vessel and have a heart attack. Do you want Duterte and Widodo to sing karaoke in the same way Duterte did with the Malaysian prime minister, to calm you down? Yes we get it, Imdonesian military is a first rate, well organized and fully trained military in the region. Are yoy happy now.

      Sincerely,

      Proud maid country for life

      Hapus
  18. I have no problem you guys are upgrading your military. I personal├Ây think that ASEAN is only as strong as weakest link and I want every ASEAN country to be strong enough to counter balance China's nine-dash-line.

    But I do 100% have a problem with pinoys like the arrogant and dumb Mary Ann Lazado here. Who-unfortunately-is still the majority of Pinoys online in forums.

    BalasHapus
  19. To all defense experts in these forum, you better show respect to my filipino countrymen. Coz if we recall all the maids that are working in your respective countries, you will be wiping your own ass. So at least show some common decency to my fellow filipinos.....proud maid country for life

    BalasHapus
    Balasan
    1. Go fuck yourself Raptor. You are even worse than that Mary Ann Lazado. You're 100% just a false flagging troll pretending to be a pinoy. Plus your claims are pire baseless bullshit. F-35 for pinoys? They can't even buy decent fighters. Useless troll.

      Hapus
    2. Right back at you.....jeeezzzz!!!! I was being sarcastic, you guys are so serious, i was just trying to spice up the conversation. I mean really!!!! Lockheed Martin setting up an office in terrorist infested Mindanao, you should learn how to read between the lines and differentiate whats a joke and what's not, F-35's for the Philippines? LOL!!!!! You definitely got suckered into my bait LOL!!!?!


      Hapus
    3. ......always proud maid country for life

      Hapus
    4. I always assume any pinoy comment as serious comments because up to now, all pinoys I've met in military forums and in the internet in general are ultra nationalistic retards. Especially after that retard Mary Ann I just stopped assuming that there are any sane pinoys left online. That's why I missed your sarcasm completely.

      Hapus